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Is 4:3 just a fad? - Rainbow Six Siege

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Many pro league players of Rainbow Six: Siege use a non-native aspect ratio. This makes enemy targets wider, but also effects your field of view and makes the game look horrible. Do the benefits outweigh the negatives? Find out in this video! The infamous R9 spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QF72f4Bm7PfbWeSWbl8R8uL0mOzXpG_1vOjqEjXcFGk/edit#gid=1228032078 Join me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/RogueN9 Discord! https://discord.gg/rogue-9 Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/Rogue.9er More Rogue-9! R6 Gun Guides: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7b_pqdIu5g&list=PLP2MwDk1r3q1A8z3g9f0OFj2O2sMLMVOa Battlefield 1: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP2MwDk1r3q3F7Oj-hF0EFFma-l2hy5UD R6 Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKnUwutkY4Q&list=PLeLOiIl8YNCy2RDJgY4rXRRgZ_v1T2SRg Music: "Call to Adventure" - by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) "Time Window" - by Simon Viklund (simonviklund.com) & (https://overkillsoundtracks.bandcamp.com/album/payday-2-official-soundtrack) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
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Darren-HK (8 hours ago)
I use 5:3
Shelby (14 hours ago)
I believe you missed out a huge part of the 4:3 vs 16:9 argument; many people play with black bars either side of the screen. Black bars help to narrow the players area that they need to focus on at any one time. For example, as a CS player with ADD I find my eyes often wandering to the sides of the screen, which has got me killed a lot. I play black bars so that there's nothing on the sides of my screen that I can worry about, it helps me specifically to focus on crosshair placement and pre-aiming. However there are a few other main reasons that: The 4:3 vs 16:9 and to a lesser extent 16:10 argument surfaced in CS. The whole "People do it cause it makes targets easier to hit" thing is more so an excuse that people who saw a pro using 4:3 but didn't see why it was objectively better and hence wanted an excuse to play 4:3 came up with. However, at least in CS, pro players and very highly ranked players played on 4:3 for one of a few main reasons, 1) They played back in the early 2000's when 4:3 was the norm and they just got used to it, 2) They find it comfortable or 3) 4:3 provides a smaller window for a player to have to focus on (at least when playing with bb's). Snipers also found it easier to play due to a mixture of the 3rd reason and also that the change from the sniper scope back to being unscoped wasn't so drastic. I can only assume this trend followed ex-csgo players into RB6, which spread to their stream viewers, along with people playing on 4:3 due to the increased fps (Obviously with low fov). I like the video, but I believe you looked at the topic far too statistically, the main reason people play 4:3 is because it's their personal preference. There's not really any reasoning to it other than that. Objectively 16:9 is better, and I'm slowly seeing more pro players move towards 16:9, but some players are stubborn and easily manipulated by the power of a placebo, so they stick to 4:3 (including me ::D )
joseph k (15 hours ago)
I use 5:4 with 90 fov and i hit platinum after that
Lumina (1 day ago)
its not only about the field of View and the target size.. its also about game performance. having a 144hz monitor with less then 144 fps is a waste. So ppl scale down the aspect ratio to get better FPS.
Francis Jing (1 day ago)
i think r6 pro players begin to use 4:3 because most of the pro csgo players use 4:3 stretched.but in csgo you cant change your fov,while in r6 you can,which makes changing your fov is a better option than changing your aspect ratio and stretch it.
Skinny Boi (6 days ago)
Although the easier visibility does play a factor in using a smaller aspect ratio, do not forget to factor in the FPS boost you get from playing with a lower resolution. It will make the game feel smoother even if you have a 60hz monitor because the monitor has a wider selection of images to pick and choose from.
Daveski (6 days ago)
so it's not only cs players who are obsessed with 4:3.
Dominic Arazmo (7 days ago)
4 by 3 16 by 9, idk why this bothers me
WestMini (7 days ago)
I used to play on 4:3 90 fov for a while but then changed down to 16:10 because of scaling issues with a new monitor.
Quentin Edge (8 days ago)
it hurts me eyes
yami yeager (8 days ago)
in my opinion in rainbow six it is MUCH more important to have more fov because the hitboxes are alot more easy to hit and the guns have less recoil than in a game like rust or csgo
Rulio :P (9 days ago)
16:10 is the best
regimiro (10 days ago)
We've been arguing about this in the counter strike community for literal years now. The consensus is that it's personal preference.
Derpy TW (10 days ago)
another thing however, is that it actually makes your frame rate more consistent, having a smoother gameplay, Check out 3kliksphilip for the full vid
Oz_zy (13 days ago)
is 4:3 ban able for games?
wwerdo4 (14 days ago)
In my opinion the reason this trade off is worth it is due to the lack of necessity for a wide FoV in R6S. Now, I'm just a gold scrub, so don't take my word too seriously. But I've found that having "zoomed" vision far out weighs having a wide FoV due to the fact that you are never in much of a position that requires it. You are generally looking down corridors or holding close angles. Neither of which require peripheral vision. The more I play and watch others play, the more I notice that almost every angle you want to be holding is one where you can only be seen from 1 angle, and therefore can only really see through 1 angle as well. Any time you need to change where you are aiming or position won't generally happen because of peripheral sight, but sound queues and team call outs instead, bringing the need for a wide FoV down even further. By bringing the aspect ratio down, it makes things appear closer to you, which in a game like this where being able to spot every detail in front of you to make out something like an enemies head. Can give a competitive edge. To top it off, maximizing system performance and consistent frame rates it's another big deal, by lowering aspect ratio you can dramatically improve performance even when it doesn't seem necessary. Which can again, give you another potential edge. And on lower end PC's, lowering the aspect ratio can also give you the opportunity to change some of the other settings like, Anti aliasing which really helps with holding tight angles. Let me tell you, jagged lines while trying to hold a tight angle on a doorway is nothing short of a pain in the ass. Which obviously if you have that problem means you shouldn't hold angles like that. But lowering aspect ratio while boosting other important aspects of your graphics can be a sort of solution to that problem. But that's just my thoughts on the matter. Again though, I'm only gold and only have 95 hours in the game. Also, never underestimate the power of personal preference. There's a good chance pros like playing on lower ratios due to being used to games like CS source. The popularity in it could simply be boiled down to a pro does it, and people just like to copy. But because they don't know why the pro does it. Again, could just be their preference. The "copy cats" need to make up a reason as to why it's "good".
The Greek HIJACKER (14 days ago)
I have a better solution, look closer.
Sir. Barnaby (15 days ago)
Huh, this is pretty overlooked. This is good info, although there is one more thing that needs to be taken into consideration. If you (for example) take an 4:3 aspect ratio, stretch it, scale your mouse sensitivity to that aspect ratio and use it to play the game, everything (obviously) gets stretched, but at the same time enemies move faster sideways because of the distortion. A faster target is harder to hit. Also, there are 1:1 custom resolutions available. I dont know if you can use them in siege, but in CS:GO for example 1:1 stretched is a possibility.
Oscar Pulliam (16 days ago)
I use 16:10
Vaibhav Sharma (17 days ago)
Where is 3:2???
janitor 115 (20 days ago)
i just dont get how people can play on 4:3, its so ugly and gives me a headache to look at
Kamil Kaczmarek (20 days ago)
i play on 21:9 and for me is very good and max FOV
DontLookAtThis (21 days ago)
Its been established in competitive FPSs' that once your game sense is good enough seeing the enemy then reacting is no longer optimal or needed as you will have a idea of every possible way they can attack you before it happens. Thus players trade more vision for bigger horizontal targets, which makes aiming far easier, as although the targets move much faster on your screen, in the process of transferring the 3d game world to 2d you get a bigger target, in addition to this benefit one must also consider the FPS increase from using a lower aspect ratio / res. Casual players may not think much of jumping from 144-200fps to 300+ fps but it actually makes a visible difference in input latency and smoothness of the picture, especially on 144-240hz monitors and this is another big factor for using 4:3 especially in a game like r6 which frankly gets very low frames compared other games like CS:GO or COD
kassuheh (21 days ago)
In csgo 4:3 is a massive advantage cus one tapping with an ak is so important but siege is a much faster game so 4:3 isnt that good
Karvane sniff (21 days ago)
yes but how can i use 4:3?
supfarson (21 days ago)
every game has the 4:3 fad, and everyone who buys into it needs to chill tf out lol
FreddieElohopea (22 days ago)
Are you Swedish or Norwegian? As a Finn myself you sound like your first languake is a nordic languake, particularly Swedish or Norwegian but hey, maybe that's just me. :D
Noah Frese (22 days ago)
the 3klicksphilips of siege :)
Nico Schnaiter (23 days ago)
Best thing on normal 60 Hertz monitors is that if you play 4:3 you can play on 75hertz and this feels very smooth and once you started you dont want to miss it
The Gamer Whos Bored (22 days ago)
ikr
bo cornhauler (23 days ago)
works just fine for me
Enbarr Gaming (23 days ago)
ADS is still always the same FOV tho lol thats why people like 4:3, un ADS sure youre correct but whole different story ADS
RYAN DAVIS (23 days ago)
You're wrong about why people use it though it is because sense the models are people the hitboxes are taller than they are wide which means that you have to have more precise horizontal tracking. If you stretch your view to the point where the hitbox for the head is a close to a square as possible on your screen it allows the easiest to hit target because you need to track it vertically the same amount that you have to track it horizontally. If it we're just for the zoom I am fairly certain you could achieve the same effect by simply lowering your resolution and not messing with your aspect ratio.
Tonski (23 days ago)
I played CS Source and GO semiprofessionally with 4:3 streched, took 2 year break from fps games and started playing Overwatch when it came out. My muscle memory wasnt that sharp at the start so I decided to change to 16:9. Its all about preferences and what you are used to.
Third Street Saints (23 days ago)
50 IQ : using 4:3 in game 100 IQ : using 4:3 with low FOV 200 IQ : using 4:3 with low FOV , and 16:9 in windows settings (obviously it's not working , it's just a joke)
Boolean (23 days ago)
4:3 1024x768 fov ALL THE WAAAYYY DOWN. Render quality? ALLLL THE WAY DOWN. teeheee. ur welcome for the frames :^
Brinco G (24 days ago)
So whats the best ratio and FOV in youre opinion?
A Legit Duck (24 days ago)
Alright, I actually don’t care how much of an advantage I get with 4:3 I will not use it for the simple reason that it looks like complete shit
omgwtfrofltomato (24 days ago)
i just dont understand why you would test these settings by looking at a gigantic truck right in front of you. if the reason for 4:9 is to enlarge objects, then you need to look at objects that are small and are at a distance. the giant truck in front of you and the favela map (where enemies will only be right in front of you) are both the wrong things to test on.
Jordan Wingert (24 days ago)
I bought this game at release for pc, changed the fov to 90 like I do for all my games, and haven’t touched it since, I don’t have troubles hitting smaller targets. And I think the information you get with the added vision is worth it.
Lennart Mangels (24 days ago)
the thing is when you play in 4 to 3 the enemies are bigger BUT move faster on the screen...
dn8rofficial (25 days ago)
everyone else: playing on a 16:9 lcd monitor me, an intellectual: Lacie Electron Blue 19" 160hz 4:3 CRT monitor, purchased at a price of $0. True color and contrast, adjustable screen width and height
CFapple (25 days ago)
How does it feel to have ADS all the time?
Forge (1 month ago)
Whats the best res for 4:3
anton eckart (1 month ago)
Uhhh.... are FPS players relearning all the same shit that was studied to death 20 years ago in games like unreal tournament? This should have been made in 2006 without a microphone using notepad on screen. Then it would just be pure nostalgia.
島マット (1 month ago)
I play on 1280x960 4:3 stretched because my eyes are stretched. But seriously now, i play on 4:3 because im used to it since my first FPS games like Quake and lower res is also something im used to. My FOV is something around 82 yet again a thing im used to, in my opinion if you arent used to anything the best option is your native res (16:9 or 16:10) since it gives you the most possible FOV and use one FOV among all games which also helps, don't act like all those people trying to copy pro players settings just try your own maybe once a while change it by 5% or 10% to lower higher play few matches and see for yourself.
Alexander Yin (2 days ago)
島マット my dad and mom used to buy a whole fish and lax from japan and did sashimi. If I come to japan will the Japanese people hate me cuz I’m korean and Chinese? I’m very polite, quiet and respectful.
Alexander Yin (2 days ago)
島マット ohh xD. I really like Japanese people. They are smart and polite. They are also shy and think before saying. Even if I’m half Chinese I’m not angry on Japanese. I don’t like the Chinese government because it just makes the innocent Chinese people looks more worse. Many westerns can’t see differ between ccp and innocent Chinese people. The reason why some Chinese is agree with ccp is because at the first it was many many Chinese who didn’t like ccp and was trying to move from China. When a Chinese come to Europe or America you can easily guess what is happening. Been calling Chinese small eyes, slaves and even ccp dog. I mean Chinese people can’t do anything against ccp. They try to run but the westerns still blocking and do not welcome them. I know that the relationship between South Korea and China is bad but I believe that the Japanese government has apologised many times even if the westerns people don’t care. I don’t want any conflicts. I just hope we can become good friends and don’t think about the government. I love Japanese people. Most Japanese think that Chinese are hatin them but it’s not true. It’s only under 10% of Chinese who hates Japanese currently. My father which is a Chinese and my mother korean. Both admire japan but when they came to japan I mean they are very polite and educated. They have been called ccp agents and dog
島マット (2 days ago)
Alexander Yin Most important thing is to have some distance to yourself and be able to joke about yourself xD. My best friend at University was also Korean!, and I must admit I just love Korean kitchen it is like Italian kitchen but of Asia xD. Just love it especially stuff like kimchi, japchae, mandu (its like gyoza but better lol), kongguksu, hotteok, and my favorites jajangmyeon and Korean BBQ unfortunetly not many gogigui restaurants in my part of town. I like how just different it feels to our Japanese kitchen, but chinese feels very similar to ours (probably because we stole recipes along with their alphabet LOL). 좋은 하루 보내세요 아시아 친구!
Alexander Yin (2 days ago)
島マット hahah xD, my eyes is also stretched bro. Imma half Chinese and korean
1mp Gaming (1 month ago)
I don’t actually use 4:3 for the larger target aspect ( see what i did there ) but rather as im more accustomed to using 4:3 over the 3 years of me playing cs
Wolfgang Ervin (1 month ago)
Some Counter-Strike players have been doing this for a long time.
FeelsWavyMan (1 month ago)
3:2 84FOV for life baby.
Bebx (1 month ago)
CS:GO player here, literally just a fad. Most likely CS:GO players moving to R6S and just going with what they're used to. Which is funny, most people who do that started with 1.6 or CS:S. Guess some people just can't forget about the past.
Stefan Mihai (1 month ago)
Yeah yeah but whats the best one for fps?I play r6s with about 60-100 fps low settings 4:3 and 1920×1080 .I always thought 4:3 gives you the most fps but now with this video im confused
Joé P. (1 month ago)
For me it's just all about the old school 1st person feeling from Killzone, Halo and etc.
Master Chef (1 month ago)
Ugh! It looks weird and off.
TheXlen (1 month ago)
5:4 is larger than 4:3 XD, 5:4 actually is closer to 16:9 in a way if you look at the pixel count...
Richárd Szécsényi (1 month ago)
jesus, is this really a thing? people stretching their screen to be more competitive? I would somewhat get it if someone got really used to 4:3 and played with black bars on the sides, but this is ridicilous.
Honey b. (1 month ago)
in games like squad it's cool and OP to just lower the resolution to like 1600x900 and increase the resolution scale to 1x5 or something
charlie saville (1 month ago)
I don't need to play 4:3 I just like it. So that's what I use.
Deleted (1 month ago)
I use 1:1
Tobias Pettersson (1 month ago)
I play on 4:3 because i play cs at that resolution and it increases fps.
eggsScramblerzZ (1 month ago)
ugh so ugly somebody toucha my sapgett
ZorooarK (1 month ago)
Interesting. I gotta squeeze out all them FPS though.
Mr Skeng (1 month ago)
Literally the only reason is all the old CS players used to play on thicc CRT monitors that only offered 4:3, they then used to drop the res to up the refresh rate. Alot of these players still play today but never bothered changing their AR and in some cases their resolutions, this caught on as 'the way to play' competitive fps so people just copy it without realising it does almost nothing.
charlie saville (1 month ago)
Actually it makes recoil control feel much better for me. When I first started playing csgo I didn't change the resolution or aspect ratio. Which were set to 4:3. Going to 16:9 just makes me feel uncomfortable. No reason to change it really.
TheNekOz (1 month ago)
I think it's stupid to play 4:3. Narrower field of view, you see less shit.
charlie saville (1 month ago)
Might seem stupid to you, but I feel comfortable using it so that's what I use.
The problem is that playing in a lower FoV is really bad for me because i start to get headaches because of the narrow view, it's like playing trapped in a box.
Vince3000XD (1 month ago)
4:3 is bae
Masterchief (1 month ago)
With this music this is now the dumbshit's guide to rainbow six siege
VALY (1 month ago)
Siege players try so hard being csgo
Milolo (1 month ago)
I play 5:4
MrTill (1 month ago)
Holy fucking shit I got claustrophobia from this video
AG (1 month ago)
Most people I know that play 4:3 use 90 FOV (including me). I don't do it for a tangible advantage, I just feel most comfortable on that and like the way the game feels and looks on it
charlie saville (1 month ago)
Exactly. I just hate 16:9 compared to 4:3.
MrJaaaaake (1 month ago)
4:3 makes it easier to see targets that are far away. If I try to AK a guy from pit to bomb site on Dust 2 and he's barely showing his head, I cant even see him on 16:9
Epitome- (1 month ago)
that's not why they use 4:3 you dingus , it's to get more fps
Plarage (1 month ago)
4:3 poop
T1337P (1 month ago)
playing with settings making a game look shit to hit platinum in a game infested with cheats.. rofl people must have 0 things to achieve in real life to care so much ahhahaa
AutisticGayBlackJew (1 month ago)
not like this debate has been going on in CS for 10 years. i play CS:GO at 16:10 stretched but most pros use 4:3 and its because of preference not because there's any actual advantage.
Premises187 (1 month ago)
I imagine it would be quite advantageous doing this 4:3 thing in close quarter settings where you're peaking around corners looking towards areas where threats commonly camp at
Nick930 (1 month ago)
Only a god damn moron plays with their game stretched like that. It offers zero advantage and looks terrible
charlie saville (1 month ago)
So kantoraketti is a moron? Pretty sure he's played 4:3 and 3:2 quite a lot, and kixstar. You're a moron, it's preference and that's it. I like 4:3, so I use 4:3. CSGO pros like 4:3, so they use 4:3.
Trent Hollingsworth (1 month ago)
I was using 16:9 with 90fov for a long time. As soon as I lowered to 76fov I started playing so much better. With sound, the lower peripheral vision didn’t end up affecting my gameplay as much. And now that I’m used to it, I’m a far better player than at 90fov.
Revlis the Reviler (1 month ago)
4:3 stretched is the most used resolution in CS:GO Competitive Scene, and quite evidently, it probably translates into Siege due to the past that some of these players may have had with Counter Strike, or other things. Another reason it is sworn by is getting the most possible FPS feasible, with the nice stretched enemies. It's all preference, I used to play 1024x768 stretched back in earlier CS titles like Source, but now I stick to 1080p144hz for Siege. Likewise for CS:GO. Not withstanding the fact that Siege is a very, very CQC title, and having a larger target on your screen with as many frames as possible is of importance.
JackKnifeAlpha (1 month ago)
4:3 stems from old-school players. I highly doubt it's any better and is strictly subjective. Those that grew up, learned, and hardened their skills on older monitors to the point of stubbornness and difficulty to adapt to different ratios INSIST that their ratios are better. Those that believe them because their skill might be better than those learning just regurgitate the same blabber that is simply subjective. Whatever works for you, works for you. It's not the end all be all solution. Thanks for the video though!
Idahawk H (1 month ago)
just get 16 monitors and play in 4k for each monitor.
Russell (1 month ago)
(TLDR 4:3 stretched is not worth using.) They probably got the idea from CS:GO players. In CS you can't adjust your FOV angle directly, only by changing your resolution. At 4:3 it's 67 or 68 and 16:9 is 90 and ultrawide and wider will continue to increase the FOV till the game breaks. I have played 4:3 stretched to 16:9 and I see the benefit of spotting someone easier but the screen has more blur, your horizontal sensitivity is perceived as third higher(and if you adjust it manually to compensate in your mouse DPI settings you will have to relearn the recoil patterns). In Rainbow six I like playing on 4:3 non stretched just for the FPS increase I get. You can make a custom res in the nvidea control panel or with CRu on AMD and play in 1440x1080 (1080p 4:3).
charlie saville (1 month ago)
I like the perceived increase in horizontal sensitivity it makes it feel more natural when trying to make sweeping motions with my mouse for some reason.
Pan Z (1 month ago)
4:3 Makes the sights wider.
David (1 month ago)
if you change to a different aspect ratio just to get better results you are a retard thats it
Joel DP (1 month ago)
4:3 improves frame rates, making targets easier to hit. I'd like to see a test on wether the distance your mouse moves is equal to distance in game at 4:3 and 16:9.
MacFive (1 month ago)
4:3 on an Ultrawide monitor is better.
BxPanda7 (1 month ago)
I don't play this game but that 4:3/60 looks sexy as f, actually feels like you're inside the game compared to the 16:9
Spino (1 month ago)
Phhhsss. Normies, just use 1:69 and 2 fov
ZombieX65 (1 month ago)
Frames Frames Frames
ти во (1 month ago)
You can set the resolution to 1x720. The targets will be bigger than ever.
Doublebow (1 month ago)
21:9 with max fov is where its at, Up next 32:9 so I can see everything in the room all at once.
Lucas Hoheisel (1 month ago)
21:9 because fuck you I want to see everything
unit_511 (1 month ago)
Instant motion sickness
Arnomoptic z (1 month ago)
Am i the only guy use 5 : 4 FOV 90
Jon (1 month ago)
i thought people only played 4:3 in cs
Edgar Ekström (1 month ago)
It's very common in Counter-Strike to play with 4:3 ratio. But one thing that's really stupid is that there are people who plays with borders on the sides and not stretching the ratio across the screen. They play it because they want a smaller FOV since you can't change it in CS.
Arcade Cj2men (1 month ago)
I actually use 4:3 for the fps boost lol
StiffNinja (1 month ago)
I like 4:3 because I play 4:3 on csgo. A lot of siege pros came from counter strike which 4:3 is really useful on and I assume they used it since it’s just more comfortable.
bleach4711 (1 month ago)
Well 4:3 stretched will give you more fps because you're rendering at a lower resolution, and more fps is always beneficial, but apart from that, it's really just an artifact from CSGO, because FOV in csgo is not adjustable outside of changing your aspect ratio. And in CSGO, peripheral vision is a lot less important in comparison to R6 because a good CSGO player will always be orientated towards one direction, hence why 4:3 is so common there. I play 4:3 in csgo for the increased FOV, and I play 16:9 in siege.
Matthew Elliot (1 month ago)
Pros don’t need a lot of fov bc their team mates cover their flanks for them it’s all about hitting the headshot
artsartsart (1 month ago)
I have noticed only one comment so far mentioning that stretching out the horizontal aspect makes it significantly easier to look through vertical gaps. In competitive, there is much less roaming and more camping and peeking really tight angles which are made muuuuuch easier by stretching the view sideways (high tick rate helps this sort of gameplay a lot). I find it reasonable to prefer being able to better peek really tight angles to having a better view of the peripheries, which pros no doubt have less need to see, being much more acquainted with map layouts than casual players. In any case, just wanted this pointed out to be taken into consideration with the video's extensive elaboration of FOV.

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